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[Jas]

A všetci na Atarne mu to tam žerú.Hnus.
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J.

[Mysa]

je to takový kašpar ze Schopfheimu v Německu
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Důvěřuj Aláhovi, ale napřed si uvaž velblouda.
Prorok Mohamed

[Komtur]

To je neuvěřitelná konstrukce. Docela by mě zajímalo, co je to za druh jeřábu, z kterého dělá ramena. Nevíš odkud ten lukař je?
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SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM

[Elév]

Flajtové drevené špeciáli od renomovaného bowmakera:



Viac tu:
http://redhawk55.wordpress.com./

... bomba, nie?

[alwarez]

[quote]
The bow used for this stage of training was 130lbs draw. When he got tired he would finish with a lighter bow. Each morning and each evening 300 arrows would be shot. [quote]

Tak tohle je je tak nejasne napsane, ze ja neverim ani jednomu ,kdy ze se ten, strelec unavil a dokoncil slabsim lukem ? Po prvnim vystrelu ?

[quote="Jaroslav Kejval"]April Moonová je držitelkou rekordů v dálkové lukostřelbě. V roce 1981 dostřelila na solném jezeře do vzdálenosti 950,391 metrů z ručního luku.
Sultán Selim III (1761-1808) dostřelil v roce 1798 - 889 metrů. Největší dostřel byl dosažen s tzv. nožním lukem Harry Drake v roce 1970 dostřelil 1701,88 metrů. V ručním luku dostřelil 782 metrů, a v samostřílu 1237,5 metrů[/quote]

[cornus]

Časť zaznamenaných údajov o dostrele rôznych lukov z knihy
" Hunting with the Bow and Arrow" by Dr. Pope zo začiatku 20. Storočia
Šíp 320 gr. (21 g.)
Alaskan bow 80#, 180 yds. (164 m.)
Cree bow 38#, 150 yds. (137 m.)
Esquimaux bow 80#, 200 yds. (182 m.)
Sioux bow 45#, 165 yds. (150 m.)
Yana bow 48#, 205 yds. (187 m.)
Paraguay bow 60#, 170 yds. (155 m.)
Polynesian bow 49#, 172 yds. (157 m.)
Japanese bow 48#, 175 yds. (159 m.)
English Target bow 48#, 220 yds. (200 m.)
English yew Flight bow 65#, 300 yds. (273 m.)
Old English hunting bow 75#, 250 yds. (228 m.)

Zdroj Paleoplanet
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[cornus]

V Brne som dostrelil neoficiálne mimo súťaž šíp 42 g. (640 gr.), 5 palcové operenie
185 metrov z hrabového haluzu. Presne merané.
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[Jas]

Pre tých čo lámu angličtinu vícuc spravený od Marka z Anglie , ktorý vyčítal z Klopstegovej knihy "Turkish Archery". Je to o tom , ako vážne to Turčíci brali...


I was looking in Klopsteg's book Turkish Archery today. I thought some of this might be of interest from reading some of the other threads.
I was struck by the training that the archers went through. We seem to make as heavy and fast a bow as we can manage, make as good string as we can, make an arrow or two and have at it.
The Turks took a slightly different approach. It looks to me as if as much preperation and care was taken in the training of the archer as into the making of the bow, string and arrows.
A novice archer started under the guidance of a master. Initial work was to practice drawing the bow. A special bow was made for this with a padded string. This practice was done with a mediterranean release (three fingers) only the bow was pulled to full draw and then let down again. This is done until the archer can pull and let down 500 times without tiring. Practice like this makes the correct draw and technique automatic, much like the practice of moves in some martial arts. Tjhe muscles also strengthen and become supple.
The style of the draw was then slightly changed to the one sued in target shooting, and a heavier practice bow used. Again 500 draws was used as the number to be achieved without tiring. Archers also had to learn the same draw style in the same way whilst seated. Eventually the archer was ready to move on to a strong bow.
Often tr aining with the practice bow would be interspersed with pulling a heavy bow 5 or 10 times to build strength. Another method was to use three bows. The archer would draw the lightest 50 times, then the medium bow 50 times and finally the heavy bow 50 times.
Apparently it was common advise for archers to draw their practice bow 66 times every monring to keep their strength up.
At about this time the lock of the thumb was worked on with an arrow fixed to the string. Finally indoor practice would start using a sack at 44 degrees to the archer. The sack was filled with wood shavings, cotton seeds and similar stuff. Practice had to be every day. The bow used for this simulated flight shooting was a weaker bow. A special arrows was sued for this sack shooting.
After a period of this training and if the weather was suitable the archer is allowed to practice outside. The bow used for this stage of training was 130lbs draw. When he got tired he would finish with a lighter bow. Each morning and each evening 300 arrows would be shot.
Occassionally an arrow with "peculiar fletchings" was used. This seems to have been some kind of flu-flu as it rapidly slowed and had short range. It was used to detect errors in technique and to be able to see the course of the arrow.
At last the archer was deemed to be ready to try flight arrows, starting with easy flight arrows and ending eventually with the best and hardest. There were four types. He would shoot 60 to 100 of each every day. Now he would be ready to try to enter the archers guild but would have to be able to prove through eye witnsesses that he could hit ditant marks and dhoot over 900 gez which I think is a long way!
What I think is interesting is the gradual way in which the strength and the technique of the archer was built BEFORE any arrows were shot. It seems obvious that an archer cannot hope to do well at something requiring strength and technique by concentrating on building better bows and arrows alone.
so that leaves me with working at bows, strings, arrows and a whole lot of exercise!
Mark in England
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J.

[gawain]

Turecké flightové šípy
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[cornus]

Jak teda má mať ideálne ťažisko FOC šíp na flight? Našli ste to niekto.
Ja som používal šípy s 8% FOC.
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[Jas]

Napr. toto je výzva z Paleoplanetu

" David Brunetta's genius Skele-Tip Bow, winning a new world record in the 50# primitive composite class of 347 yards plus 1 foot!!! "



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J.

[Ivan]

To je potom jiná,zrovna tak jsem si je představoval.

[Jas]

Alebo aj menšie + som mal puta šípy s bakkam končíkmi. Všetko od 15 -19 gramov.



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J.

[Jas]

Ďakujem za radu Ivan, ale na flit som nemal tie varianty kórejského typu- , ktoré som mal podržané v tradičnom kabáte. Teda ak vychádzaš z tých čo som zverejnil na téme bambusové šípy. Boli tam síce aj ľahučké bambusy , ale stále s klasickým perím. A tým myslím perie vysoké 8-9 mm a dlhé podľa váhy a dĺžky šípu od 9 do 15 cm.

Na flit som mal turecké špeciály , ktorých perie je 6mm vysoké a 2,8-3cm dlhé z jemných chvostových pier moriaka a Kane .


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[Ivan]

Jas - možná by se dala citlivost na vítr snížit menší plochou a hlavně menší délkou opeření-něco málo o aerodynamice vím.I ty Turecké flaitové šípy měli miniaturní opeření a asi by byly vhodnější tenká ale tuhá pera než měké bažantí které se v proudu vzduchu mohou příčnš rozkmitat - fletr- a fungovat jako aerodinamická brzda.

[Jas]

Ja som tam mal letecké špeciály , bikonického tvaru od 15 do 20 gramov. Ale v tom vetre boli skôr nevýhodou než výhodou.
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[cornus]

Na stránke akcie je zoznam prihlásených aj s prezývkami.
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[tulak77]

cez SZ sa opytaj na civilne meno uchova sa tym sukromie a kto chce ten ti aj odpovie

[Ivan]

Dík za doplněné údaje o váze šípu,jedinou chybičku to má , že výsledkovka je z civilnímy jmény a tyto údaje s přezdívkami kde znám jen dva, tak že se to obtížně spojuje-ale to se časem poddá

[cornus]

Mal som na súťaž pripravený jeden bikónický POC 22 g., spin na 50 lb. Žiaľ nedožil sa. Strielal som ho do terčovnice a praskol.
Bikóny je správna voľba na dostrel.
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[staso]

Ja som v Pacove na flight použil šíp:

drevo: POC, neupravovaná, 8mm prierez
váha: 405grain / 26 gramov
letky: 4cm dlhé, 2 cm vysoké

V podstate to bol len taký pokus o flight šíp...

[Elév]

[cornus]

Súťaž ako majú Norci je môjmu srdcu bližšia.
http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/37272/t/Norwegian-Championship-2010.html
Naša bude verím podobná.
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[Elév]

...ale vyzerá dobre. Dal rýchlosť 244 ft.

[cornus]

Ten luk už poznám dávnejšie. Je to najnovší hi-tech model primitívneho luku.
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[Elév]

Na konci augusta na salt lake v Bonneville prebehol World Flight Championships 2010. Bolo prekonaných 8 svetových rekordov v dostrele.
Viac tu:

http://www.archery-interchange.net/forum/border-archery/28662-world-flight-championships-2010-8-world-records.html

akosa darilo, fotky a s čím strielali primitívi aj tu:

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/37379/t/2010-US-Flight-Nationals.html

a tu:

http://198.170.107.188/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1750

oficiálne výsledky som ale ešte nenašiel...

[cornus]

Primitívne by som ďalej nedelil. Môj bazový luk je ťažko nejak zaradiť tvarovo.
Nerád by som len súťažil proti nejakým Ipe skladancom.
Ide hlavne o to založiť nejaké oficialne národné výkony aby sme ich mohli neskôr stále zlepšovať.
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[Elév]

Nie, to majú američania ako úplne zvlášť súťaž.

Čo sa týka šípov, limitované budú len tým, že musia byť s prírodných materiálov. Drevo, bambus etc.
Presné pravidlá na Pacovský flight budú v krátkom čase a objavia sa v príslušnom vlákne. Túto tému nechajme flightovému strielaniu všeobecne.

[cornus]

Asi ťažko keď má elb podkategórie do 50 a unlimited.
Ten štandard ide vystreliť asi od 90 lb.
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[staso]

Nie sú tie ELB odlíšené kvôli tomu, že majú povinné použitie ELB Standard Arrow?
To sú tie ich ťažké šípy s min. váhou niekde okolo 50g...

S takýmito šípmi by asi žiadny flatbowista nestrieľal